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Meeting Minutes

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.

 

1.            Introduction / Call Roll

Chair Jan Vanderwall called the meeting to order at approximately 6:30 p.m.

 

Members Present: Chair Jan Vanderwall; and Members Dwayne Stenlund; Jim DeBenedet; Joan Felice; and Steve Gjerdingen

 

Staff Present:          Public Works Director Duane Schwartz; City Engineer Debra Bloom

 

2.         Public Comments

No one appeared to speak at this time.

 

3.            Approval of October 23, 2012 Meeting Minutes

Member DeBenedet moved, Member Felice seconded, approval of the October 23, 2012, meeting as presented.

 

Ayes: 5

Nays: 0

Motion carried.

 

4.            Communication Items

Public Works Director Schwartz and City Engineer Bloom noted that updates on various construction projects were included in tonight’s meeting packet and available on-line at the City’s website at www.cityofroseville.com/projects, and as detailed in the staff report dated November 27, 2012.

 

Discussion included updated intersection pedestrian lights, both those already installed and those still needed at various locations throughout the City; clarification by staff on “free rights” near Rosedale entrances with no crosswalks at those locations in accordance with MnDOT practice; and how push buttons provide clearance for pedestrians and/or bicycles on Ramsey County roads in particular (e.g. pre-emption for signals).

 

Members concurred that they would like to have additional discussion at a future meeting on theory/priorities/best practices for design of pedestrian crossings, as well as implications related to those designs, including legal, ADA, best practices, and safety considerations.  Chair Vanderwall opined that this design information was important for the Commission, as well as the public, to understand to have all perspectives outlined.

 

Further discussion included status of the water lining project, with staff advising that the 3M product appeared to be the solution, and the project was anticipated to begin in April of 2013; County Road D reconstruction meetings and progress to-date, with the Feasibility report in process and anticipated for consideration by the City Council on December 10, 2012, with a Public Hearing scheduled in January of 2013.

 

At the request of Member DeBenedet, Ms. Bloom advised that Roseville residents had already submitted a petition regarding a sidewalk on the south side of County Road D, and that the petition would be included as part of the Feasibility Study presented to the City Council.  Member DeBenedet requested that members of the PWETC be copied on the Public Hearing notice.

 

Additional discussion included 2013 mill and overlay projects and status of surveys and plans in progress; upcoming meetings with property owners along County Road B-2; and engineering projects in process by City staff for the City of Falcon Heights.

 

Mr. Schwartz reported on the City’s application to the Metropolitan Council for funding through their Inflow and Infiltration Grant Program, and based on their formula, he anticipated that the City would receive a minimum of $408,000.  Based on 2012 pricing, Mr. Schwartz advised that this would cover a significant portion of the City of Roseville’s needed work for 2013, approximately three (3) miles of water lining of the anticipated six (6) miles planned.  Ms. Bloom noted that bids would be opened in December.

 

Mr. Schwartz summarized the status of fall maintenance and leaf collection programs; minor ice control efforts needed last weekend

 

Member Stenlund requested a future field trip in the spring by the PWETC to observe the 3M water lining product.

 

Member Stenlund also requested an update on the fire station project status; and asked that staff make sure their storm drainage issues were addressed prior to winter.

 

2013 Utility Rate Adjustment Discussion

Mr. Schwartz reviewed a draft memorandum included in communication items from Finance Director Miller to the City Council for their upcoming meeting scheduled for Monday, December 3, 2012.  Mr. Schwartz advised that staff had preliminarily presented recommendations to the City Council at their November 19, 2012 meeting, based on recommendations of the PWETC’s analysis and that of the Council-appointed CIP Task Force. 

 

Mr. Schwartz noted the nuances discovered by Finance Director Miller upon that further analysis regarding a proposed three-tiered rate structure, and unintended consequences to a large group of customers, specifically those currently receiving senior discounts.  Additional findings were detailed in Finance Director Miller’s memorandum.

 

Discussion included availability of the discount based on retirement income, with no minimum age required; review of the table of costs for water operations related to depreciation due to implementation of the second phase of the base rate increase previously approved and going into effect in 2013; and distinctions between sewer depreciation versus water depreciation percentages.

 

Members noted a typographical error on the water table (page 6 of 12) regarding contract pick-up; duly noted by staff.

 

Further discussion included increased costs for storm drainage operations to include costs for dredging of storm water ponds, with further analysis and future CIP adjustments needed as indicated and based on disposal costs for sludge; and rationale for comparable cities with comparable tiers based on first-ring status and/or their locations adjacent to Roseville.

 

Additional discussion included difficulties in making comparisons with other communities depending on the age and type of their systems; distinctions with Roseville’s water being fully softened versus those private customers responsible for water softening and specific costs for that softening; and the intent in implementing another tier for water usage and how to address negative impacts to some customer groups that would need to be vetted by the City Council.

 

Members concurred that additional discussion in the future may be indicated depending on the results of the City Council at their upcoming meeting.

 

5.            Ice Control Product Discussion

Street Supervisor Steve Zweber and one of the City’s maintenance personnel, Josh Dix, were in attendance to provide an overview of the City’s ice control program, as previously requested by the PWETC.  An outline and background information was provided in written report dated November 27, 2012.

 

The presentation included chloride versus non-chloride products; older trucks; previous use of salt/sand mixtures; better rate control found with newer trucks and equipment; replacement of older trucks with new units as the vehicle stock was rotated; and current, better chemical use with evolving technology and computer-controlled application, including anti-icing applications, with this season being the City’s first experiment with those applications.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted the process with brine in the new trucks flowing to the spinner, not salt, before spinning onto the pavement.

 

Mr. Zweber noted that previous equipment (four tanks) had been obtained from Otter Tail County and were found more cumbersome and difficult to use that the current equipment.  Mr. Zweber provided a visual demonstration of anti-icing examples used during the previous season and distinctions between pre-treating versus not pre-treating; as well as effectiveness for bituminous versus concrete surfaces.

 

A joint study of MnDOT and Mankato State University was included in agenda packet materials for additional information.

 

Mr. Dix, having done research on alternative products for ice control, noted that the study had proven inconclusive due to temperature variables; indicating that salt was still the best value.

 

In addressing comparisons from 2006 to the previous season in 2011/2012, Mr. Zweber noted that ultimate goal was to find a product that broke the bond on pavement prior to a storm, allowing for less salt use once streets were plowed.  Mr. Zweber provided the reduction the City had achieved for specific anti-icing routes versus other applications; additional efficiencies achieved for those routes based on pumping capacity and speed of application; and purchasing brine cooperatively with Ramsey County to further reduce costs; and cooperation between Ramsey County and the City of Roseville for some events and in chronic problem areas in Roseville.

 

Mr. Zweber and Mr. Dix provided a detailed analysis of the brine mix for the most efficient and effective application, as well as cost-effectiveness; considerations for temperature and weather-related situations; use on sidewalks and pathways in addition to roadways; and most effective ice control product was a de-sugared sugar beet molasses product (Geo Melt).

 

Discussion included effects of the products leaching into yards; difficulties in some sand/salt mixtures running off pavement created environmental issues; benefits in achieving safer driving conditions faster; re-use of sweepings and disposal based on the product; and current recycling through the City’s leaf pick-up program tested for safety by getting the sand out of the salt through rate controls and application of products before driven down by too much traffic.

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that, comparatively for a number of years, the City of Roseville saw, on a comparable mile basis, that it was using significantly less ice control products than most suburbs.

 

Mr. Zweber noted that Roseville’s product use was a small amount in the overall picture; however, he noted that other agencies contributed to the City’s system as well.  Mr. Schwartz advised that watershed studies were addressing this issue as well specific to water quality.

Further discussion included the advantages for de-icing agents that precluded chloride entering water bodies; budget and storage considerations; willingness of management to make efforts for rain garden areas and lake bodies; two (2) existing trucks having pavement sensors; and trial and error experiments to test various products, typically on City parking lots.

 

Mr. Zweber reported on staff’s ability to consider weekend weather forecasts and pre-treat pavements to reduce material use and achieve overall manpower, equipment and product savings.

 

Additional discussion included the ability to track traffic incidents through the Police Department; human nature in winter driving conditions; how and when spillage occurs; remaining sensitive to MS4 issues internally to address water quality issues; efficiencies in working during late night/early morning hours for application before traffic creates additional issues and allows the ability to apply bring on the center line to work itself across drive lanes out to roadway edges; and challenges in low volume and/or hilly streets.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted that the department was very committed to its work; and Chair Vanderwall thanked Mr. Dix and Mr. Zweber for the informative presentation.

 

6.            Preliminary/Updated 2013 Budget Information

Mr. Schwartz provided an updated, as previously requested by the PWETC, on preliminary/updated 2013 Budget information, as most recently provided in City Council agenda packets for their discussion.  Mr. Schwartz noted that this was the first time a biennial budget was being used by the City, with the 2013 Preliminary Budget originally adopted by the City Council in December of 2011 as part of that two-year process.  Mr. Schwartz advised that, other than minor inflationary increases to operating budgets, the main focus of that biennial budget had been to Capital Improvements, based on recommendations of the City Manager and the CIP Tax Force to bring the City back to a standard that could address its infrastructure needs. 

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that the Public Works budget for operations was basically status quo, with essentially no significant new initiatives for 2012 and 2013.  Mr. Schwartz noted that there would be some challenges in the operating budget due to inflationary increases; however, he advised that some anticipated cost-savings may be available from 2012 that could be applied to 2013, if and when approved by the City Council.  Mr. Schwartz noted that this reserve was basically created by the warm weather experienced during the winter of 2011/2012.

 

Mr. Schwartz called to the PWETC’s attention impacts of the CIP recommendations specifically pursuant to the Street Condition Pavement program. 

Member Stenlund, on lines 284 and 298 (pathway/parking lots, street lighting), questioned if the PWETC would have additional opportunity to explore LED lighting as previously discussed.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted that the recommended $25,000 annually was intended for that purpose; and included studying alternatives for replacement with LED fixtures, rebate programs, and other applications. 

 

Member DeBenedet, with consensus of the body, suggested future presentations by vendors who could and would provide an optimistic analysis of operations and maintenance savings, and payback, for retrofitting LED lighting when replacing fixtures, from an engineering perspective, beyond the presentation recently given by Xcel Energy.

 

Mr. Schwartz clarified that the City owned a very small portion of the overall street lights in the City; however, he expressed staff’s willingness to contact other vendors to provide additional analysis and research for the PWETC.

 

Member Stenlund noted a previous reference by Ron Leaf (S.E.H. Engineers) to someone from their firm available to provide additional information about street lights, and suggested contacting that firm to provide additional education for the PWETC; and from a feasibility study perspective, determine the best way to replace street lights with more efficient fixtures while still providing the utmost safety for citizens.

 

Further budget-related discussion included declining gas tax revenue funds and impacts on property tax levies; legislative initiatives to address funding outside the property tax venue and impacts for long-term decision-making; assumptions built into the City budget modeling street funding based on MSA funds and City funds; and the ongoing need to find additional revenue resources.

 

Mr. Schwartz specifically reviewed the Pavement Management Program (PMP) on page 6 of 10 (lines 192, 204-213) and CIP Task Force recommendations for the street fund as bonds are paid off in 2016 and beyond in order to address predicted PCI levels needed to maintain the overall street system.

 

Chair Vanderwall suggested a bar chart, similar to that provided for water/sewer discussions, to allow the public and the PWETC an awareness of impacts if and when infrastructure improvements are continually deferred, and only negatively impacting and delaying problem areas. 

 

Member Stenlund noted that the City’s Information Technology (IT) Department did not fall under any of the City’s Advisory Commissions; and opined that while they do fantastic work, it may be advantageous to provide some additional oversight or public areas of discussion regarding their work with the overall City and various departments.

 

Chair Vanderwall, referencing the Total Impact Table (page 9), expressed appreciation for the City Council’s responsible action regarding overall CIP funding.

 

Member DeBenedet concurred, noting that while more challenges would occur in the future, this was a good and responsible plan in addressing the infrastructure situation for future residents of the community.

Recess

Chair Vanderwall recessed the meeting at approximately 7:50 p.m. and reconvened at approximately 7:53 p.m.

 

7.            Pavement Condition Index (PCI) Map Discussion

Mr. Schwartz provided an overview of PCI policies and map of current street conditions.  The presentation included the following discussion points.

 

Pavement Policy Summary

·         Rate pavements every 5 years (20% annually)

·         Target an average condition index of 75-80

·         Minimize maintenance dollars spend on poor condition streets

·         Adequate street = 65 PCI or higher

·         Marginal street = 36-64 PCI

·         Poor street = 0-35 PCI

·         Strive to keep poor streets to <5% of system

 

Discussion included what a typical “poor” rated condition street would look like (with patching, potholes, significant cracking and connected alligator cracking indicating structural issues of base materials and/or soils); and pavement distress surveys segment by segment to measure distresses, and then entering that data into a computer program developed by the Corp of Engineers in the mid 1980’s that actually calculated the street index, taking into consideration local experience levels for deterioration adjustments and conditions in this area and the City’s own street network.  Mr. Schwartz advised that all maintenance information is included in that data and budget modeling done as a result of that information.

 

Adequate Street

·         Receives sealcoat every 7-8 years and crack sealing as needed

·         Receive greatest return on maintenance dollars spent here

 

Marginal streets

·         Can receive crack sealing  and sealcoat if in upper end of range

·         Receive mill and overlay when deemed preventative maintenance will not benefit pavement life

 

Poor condition

·         Minimize maintenance dollars

·         Reconstruction

 

Mr. Schwartz noted that priorities are based on condition, as well as proximity to other construction projects; provided examples of various street conditions; and addressed installation of curb and gutter as part of projects, with the only street without City jurisdiction at this time not having curb and gutter was Victoria Street south of County Road B.

 

Mr. Schwartz also provided a number of twenty (20)-year graphs, as a bench handout, regarding current funding levels and budgets versus a backlog for capital improvements, as used by staff in budget modeling for current spending and current street conditions for recommendation to the City Manager and City Council for future funding needs in the PMP.  Mr. Schwartz noted the current 80% overall condition network versus how it diminished at the end of twenty (20) years for the overall PCI.  Mr. Schwartz noted that a significant part of this diminished fund availability was due to reduced interest rates and return on investment for the PMP at approximately a 3% return versus previous returns of between 5-7%.  Mr. Schwartz noted that other impacts were inflation related, as well as increased cost of materials while interest rates continued to decline.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted the dramatic difference shown by the graphs in maintaining street conditions in “perfect” condition; assumptions of the program for bringing segments up to 100% compared to the City’s standard practice to achieve an overall condition at 75-80%; and whether the City needed to reconsider desired standards for future maintenance and construction.  Mr. Schwartz noted that pavements as now constructed throughout the City lasted about thirty (30) years versus projected twenty (20) years, particularly lesser traffic volume streets.

 

Discussion included projected traffic patterns in the future (e.g. fewer and lighter cars, more bicycles, economics, and trends of multi-modal options) dependent on which part of the metro area was addressed (e.g. inner-ring suburbs versus those further out).

 

Mr. Schwartz noted that there were a number of variables affecting road conditions, including the type of traffic, and impacts of freeze/thaw cycles.

 

Further discussion included private streets inadvertently included on the condition map; current projections by staff to the City Manager and City Council over the next 3-7 years to add an additional $1 million funding to the PMP to maintain current PCI, and allowing time to make adjustments during that period based on how the fund perform; with the CIP Task Force addressing that with their recommendation of $800,000 annually in additional funding through 2018 for those increases, in addition to potential changes in the MSA funding formulas.

 

Chair Vanderwall noted the challenges in this other infrastructure need and impacts to citizens.  However, he noted that the PWETC was the commission of “invisible things,” and the status of infrastructure needs had not occurred overnight and had built up over a long period of deferred maintenance and replacement, now creating this current situation and the challenges before the City and its citizens.  Now that the situation had been taken seriously by the current City Council, Chair Vanderwall opined that the challenge was now to find funding other than property taxes to address the situation.

 

Members noted the need to compare Roseville streets to those of other communities, and while the City’s roads are considered better, the question was whether that was necessary and could the City continue to afford that distinction.

 

Discussion included other options for further discussion including street conditions in relationship to emergency vehicle access (e.g. cul-de-sacs and/or private streets); property tax considerations and benefits versus vehicle loading and related impacts; pros and cons for considering assessments for mill and overlay projects; size and types of road for residential areas with little traffic; cost for maintenance on less traveled street and proportionate use of other streets for which they had equal access; and how the City of Roseville is viewed based on its property values and aesthetics, including how its streets looked, and impacts for the overall community.

 

Member DeBenedet questioned how to demonstrate, based on MN law, benefits for a mill and overlay project to adjacent properties.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted the need for additional monitoring of pavement condition relative to funding for PMP in the future; whether the City was shooting too high in its standards; and whether we will see dramatic impacts on road conditions with decreased funding.

 

Member DeBenedet questioned the impacts of allowing the PMP standards to drop in the short-term allowing those cost savings and budget amounts to improve the long-term picture and strengthen the PMP.

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that the 2013 PMP had been reduced as the PCI didn’t indicate a need to continue at the current level in the short term; however, he noted that in the near future the PCI would need to be continued at that higher level.  Mr. Schwartz noted that this information had been portrayed to the CIP Task Force; with the need for periodic review for adjustment every few years.

 

Member DeBenedet noted the need to take into consideration future City Councils who may not be as supportive as the current body.

 

Chair Vanderwall expressed hope that future City Councils would make good decisions comparable to the current body, for the long-term benefit of the overall community.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted that implementation of the asset management program should provide good information across all departments and services.

 

Member Stenlund opined that he envisioned whole blocks in Roseville bought out for high density residential and infill housing as costs continue to rise and people looking for less-expensive housing options than single-family homes.  Member Stenlund further opined that this would be how future street improvements would be paid for, through those HDR components, something he saw as a long-term trend.

 

8.            Consider Canceling December 25, 2012 Meeting

Member DeBenedet moved, Member Felice seconded, cancelation of the December 25, 2012 Public Works, Environment and Transportation Commission meeting due to the holiday.

 

Ayes: 5

Nays: 0

Motion carried.

 

9.            Possible Items for Next Meeting – January 22, 2013

·         LED retrofit program (if funded in the final 2013 City budget) – presenters with various perspectives

 

·         Traffic signal and crosswalk design and state law discussion

 

·         Mr. Schwartz noted that the City’s  recycling contract was up for bid in 2013; and advised that the PWETC would need to review community values as discussed several years ago prior to and as part of that three (3) year rebid process.

 

Member DeBenedet noted other cities moving toward single sort; and past findings that the City of Roseville achieved more material through its dual sort system, and avoidance of damaged material in the single sort system and inability to be recycled cost effectively.  Member DeBenedet suggested that the PWETC needed to hear more about the various options from other recyclers beyond the current provider.

 

Chair Vanderwall suggested another testing of the water with the new  City Council in January on whether to proceed with organized collection if there appeared to be a majority interest in moving forward.

 

Member Stenlund expressed his interest in finding out why other venues (e.g. Hennepin County) were able to recycle more plastic materials, and why that wasn’t an option for Roseville, and whether based on market available or for other reasons.

 

Chair Vanderwall suggested that may need to be part of the specifications sought for the new contract.

 

·         Member DeBenedet suggested that, while still dark at a reasonable time of the day, the PWETC tour the City of West St. Paul to view their LED lighting (January or February preferably before time change and in case of a possible weather-related delay for a tour)

 

·         Member DeBenedet requested an update in the spring of 2013 on the Asset Management orientation, training and application process.

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that training was scheduled for December 13 – 15, 2012.

 

·         Member Stenlund requested future discussion on the pathway process, similar to that of the PMP in order to obtain a condition rating modeled on that same type of program.

 

10.         Adjourn

Member Felice moved, Member Stenlund seconded, adjournment of the meeting at approximately 8:37 p.m.

 

Ayes: 5

Nays: 0

Motion carried.

 

 

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