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Meeting Minutes

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 6:30 p.m.

 

1.       Introductions/Roll Call

 

Commission members present:  Joan Felice; Dwayne Stenlund; Steve Gjerdingen; and Chair Jim DeBenedet

 

Commission members absent:  Jan Vanderwall

 

Staff present:  Duane Schwartz, PW Director, Deb Bloom, City Engineer

 

Others present: Mike Beraopce, representative of Ace Solid Waste

 

2.       Public Comments

None

 

3.       Approval of Meeting Minutes

 

Chair DeBenedet noted that he and Member Stenlund were the only two members present at the September meeting.

 

Member Stenlund moved, Member DeBenedet seconded, approval of the Public Works, Environment, and Transportation (PWET) Commission meeting minutes of September 22, 2009 as presented. 

 

Ayes: 2

Abstentions: 2 (Gjerdingen and Felice)

Motion carried

 

4.      Communication Items

 

Street Reconstruction / Mill and Overlay Update

Ms. Bloom provided an update on variety of street reconstruction and mill and overlay projects nearing completion for the 2009 construction season.

 

Twin Lakes Redevelopment Area

Ms. Bloom advised that the Phase I portion of the Twin Lakes Parkway was nearing completion; with landscaping hopefully being finalized before weather caused any deferral, with plantings in from the round-about to Twin Lakes Parkway.  Ms. Bloom further advised that Iona Lane would be open by November 25, 2009 for buses and parking; and pending weather cooperation, should be available for traffic, meeting the city’s commitment.

 

Discussion included whether additional roundabouts were being considered in the community; whether they were more environmental friendly due to less vehicle idling; capacity of roundabouts based on traffic volumes; types of accidents reduced and less severity of those accidents based on slower traffic speeds; reductions in idling, stopping and starting noises; no signal lights at intersections; and substantial reductions in speed; potential impacts to other modes of transportation (i.e., bicycles, slower-moving vehicles, pedestrians); perceptions versus realities of roundabouts; right-of-way considerations at each throat of the roundabout, with pedestrians better protected at the island refuges.

 

Further discussion included pedestrian safety; merging into flowing traffic; location of the crosswalks setback from the lane; and easier visual awareness for pedestrians in those crosswalks. 

 

Consensus of PWET Commissioners was that roundabouts were good, but that there was a need to educate the public and make them more familiar in driving roundabouts.

 

Ms. Bloom advised that, as part of the announcement and celebration of Twin Lakes Parkway’s Phase I completion, staff would include the PWET in future announcements and ways that educational information can be incorporated (i.e., local media; cable access channel).

 

Member Stenlund noted his favorable impression with the work performed by Eureka Contractors, and suggested possible ways to acknowledge their cooperative partnership with the City, especially the water feature systems and their awareness of resource protection and sensitivity to tree issues.  Member Stenlund sought staff comment related to stability and protection measures for rain garden plantings.

 

Ms. Bloom advised that staff’s goal is to get them planted where possible (excluding Rosewood), planning to plant the Twin Lakes area with the exception of perennials.

 

TH280 / Paper Calmenson Sanitary Sewer

Ms. Bloom addressed other projects and their status, including coordination with the MnDOT project at MN Trunk High way #280, with Broadway Avenue closed due to a deep sanitary sewer section replacement

 

Watermain Replacement Project

Ms. Bloom reviewed the directional drilling for watermain replacement at Lexington and Woodhill, as well as Churchill and Oxford St.  Ms. Bloom noted that the PWET packet included recent informational communication with those neighborhoods.

 

Rosewood Neighborhood Drainage Improvements

In conclusion, Ms. Bloom noted the Rosewood Neighborhood Drainage Improvements, east of the Midland Hills Golf Course, and the twenty (20) rain gardens installed to alleviate water volume issues for storm sewer, and resident enthusiasm for them.

 

Rice Street Bridge Reconstruction

Mr. Schwartz provided an update the status of design of this project, and submission of proposed utility replacements as part of the larger project, with staff recommending replacement of all watermains along the Rice Street corridor and within the reconstruction project area.  Mr. Schwartz noted other discussions included improved aesthetics of medians, with a potential for wider medians that could contain trees, or considering paving the medians with a type of concrete treatment.  Mr. Schwartz advised that staff was scheduled to meet with the City of Little Canada yet this week to discuss a potential partnership for border maintenance.  Mr. Schwartz reported the percentage of completion of the MnDOT plans, estimated cost of the project at $20 million, and preliminary funding commitment; with possible start date in June of 2010.

 

Mr. Schwartz discussed ongoing discussions and preliminary designs in conjunction with Xcel Energy related to undergrounding utilities; and their request of a commitment of $2,500 from the City of Roseville to continue pursuing the prospect.  Mr. Schwartz advised that he would be seeking interest from the City of Little Canada as to whether to pursue the undergrounding option, and their interest in cost-sharing.

 

Discussion included sources of funding for the overall project consisting of Ramsey County turn back funds, based on legislative commitments for those funds; MnDOT’s Bridge Fund; Cooperative Agreement Fund at MnDOT; State DEED monies; and potentially federal solicitation through the Metropolitan Council; potential consequences of City actions based on past rulings related to a surcharge for rate payers and depending on language in Franchise Agreements; the need for other utilities to agree to bury their lines as well; and the location of the power line entirely on the Roseville side, necessitating the need for financing agreements to be drafted for cost sharing between Little Canada and Roseville to reduce Xcel’s costs and refund their upfront costs.

 

Further discussion included pathways and sidewalks along Rice Street and some areas that may prove more difficult for their installation than others on the Roseville side of the corridor based on the location of overhead power poles, allowing for perception by the public in general of shared benefits for both communities; willingness of Little Canada staff in discussion options at this point; and other options besides trees for medians, such as salt-tolerant vines over a steel framework (such as on I-35E in downtown St. Paul) for easier maintenance and to block headlight glare.

 

Mr. Schwartz suggested that additional discussion be held at the November PWET meeting, as additional information and cost estimates should be available at that time, with eventual determination made at the City Council level for both communities.

 

Additional Written Communication

Staff noted inclusion in the agenda packets of recent mailings to residents, including an educational residential pool drainage and disposal mailer to those pool owners on file with the City, and in conjunction with the pending mandated ordinance related to Illicit Discharges and Connections; and the October newsletter for residents impacted by the Churchill / Oxford watermain replacement project; and an update on staff’s REACT efforts to reduce energy usage for city facilities.

 

Discussion on pool water included Member Stenlund’s concern that the PWET Commission could develop a written action plan for draining of residential pools, beyond the brief informational piece prepared by staff to-date, to include a checklist.

 

Ms. Bloom advised that staff had sent out 600-900 mailings modeled on that used in another metropolitan community, and based on the list of pools of which staff was aware.  Ms. Bloom welcomed any commentary to improve future information, including development of a checklist to assist residents.

 

Further discussion included possible filter screens for garden hoses and disposal in residential garbage, following neutralization and once chlorine-free; including a typical drawing to eliminate confusion; with suggestions of Chair DeBenedet for Member Stenlund to return to the November meeting for further discussion and to allow development of that information prior to staging in spring of 2010. 

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that staff would be able to refine its database for residential pools, based on current permit information and the phone calls received from those residents on the original mailing that no longer had existing pools.

 

Ms. Bloom requested that Member Stenlund provide additional information to staff outside the PWET meeting for future implementation.

 

Chair DeBenedet spoke in support of a checklist and graphics to make it easier for residents to implement.

 

St. Paul Regional Water Service / Reservoir Woods Park

Mr. Schwartz reported on the first project meeting held related to planned demolition and reconstruction by St. Paul Regional Water Service of the Reservoir Woods water treatment facility on Dale Street and Alta Vista Drive, with plans to take the old one out of service as early as January of 2010.  Mr. Schwartz briefly reviewed operational concerns of the City of Roseville and ongoing discussions; potential design issues that could aesthetically change the Roseville skyline, based on the current design on top of the hill overlooking Highway 36 at 30’ and talk of increasing it by another 10’ to a total of 40’, and existing of a very visible 10,000,000 gallon, 220’ diameter, concrete tank, raised 12’ over the existing reservoir. 

 

Discussion included the current square structure type and capacity (30,000,000 gallon capacity being reduced to 10,000,000 gallons), as it currently doesn’t operate as a significant part of the St. Paul Regional system, and only dedicated to Roseville and Arden Hills supply needs.

 

Further discussion included impacts to water pressures in Roseville, with cost implications to boost flow, with further analysis pending when their design is determined; need for review and approval of an application for a onsite crushing permit from the City of Roseville’s Planning Commission and City Council, as well as issuance of Building Permits. Other items under discussion are impacts to the immediately adjacent neighborhood; and recommendation for them to make a preliminary presentation in the near future to the PWET and City Council.

 

Ms. Bloom noted that the proposed footprint of 205’ in diameter, versus the current 400’ x 400’ square footprint would be significantly different.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted that staff was also reviewing any potential impact to the pathway and/or park in that area.

 

Ramsey County / County Road B-2 Potential Reconstruction

Mr. Schwartz advised that staff would be meeting with Ramsey County related to the County’s proposed design and reconstruction of County Road B-2 from Snelling Avenue to Fairview Avenue.  Discussion included road conditions and the need for upgrading the capacity of County Road B-2.

 

  1. Proposed Illicit Discharge Ordinance

 

Ms. Bloom presented a revised draft Ordinance, Section 803, as it related to Storm water Illicit Discharge and Connections within the City of Roseville, as federally mandated; having incorporated those revisions made by the PWET Commission at their May 26, 2009 meeting.

 

Chair DeBenedet noted that, at the May meeting, the PWET Commission had suggested that a more comprehensive look be given to various provisions dealing with storm water in various ordinances, bringing them to one place for better efficiencies for staff and making it easier and more understandable for property owners in Roseville for compliance purposes. Member Stenlund spoke in support of staff preparation of an information packet, including graphics that would go beyond the legal language of the ordinance, but provide the public with more realistic information.  Member Stenlund noted one glaring omission was the lack of a definition of “Water.”

 

Ms. Bloom advised that staff had been discussion staging of the information, with the ordinance serving as a foundation, similar to that of the recently-adopted ordinance on fertilizer, the door hangers that were provided, and additional information developed for practical use; as well as the previous discussion on the pool drainage issues and process needing to be developed.   Ms. Bloom noted that property owners needed to be aware of the code, issues, and their actions needed for compliance.  Ms. Bloom sought input from Members, keeping that process in mind, as to whether this ordinance language was moving in the right direction in defining an illicit discharge, with staff continuing to train with Rice Creek Watershed District to work through discharge and detections issues.

 

Discussion among Members and staff included adding to the “Purpose” statement for the goal of preserving the Central Park Water System, based on the interconnectivity and need to preserve this fragment of the 10,000 lake system in MN; and providing for additional definitions that may seem obvious, but not so to residents.

 

Ms. Bloom advised that the draft ordinance was based on language modeled after the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA) Illicit Discharge Ordinance; and that , while the City’s existing ordinance provisions were based on best management practices, following review and enforcement attempts over the last year, it was found that the ordinance language wasn’t strong enough to enforce; and that an ordinance was needed to expressly apply to that area, based on the annual permit for the City with the MPCA, with language updated based on the MPCA webpage ordinance.

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that the City Attorney is currently reviewing the ordinance language as well, based on the City’s overall storm water ordinance provisions; with the goal for attachment of this section to the overall storm water ordinance by year-end  to meet the City’s commitment.

 

Ms. Bloom advised that, when performing her annual audit for this report in future years, she would like to be able to find the City’s goals adequate.

Further discussion included:

Page 1, Section B, Definitions

Additional definitions to consider:

Water

Water courses

Conveyance system

Maximum Extent Possible (MEP)

Paved Areas (driveway washing)

Car Washing

Impervious Surfaces

Pervious Surfaces

 

Page 2, Section D, Administration

Discussion included how the City was set up to administer implementation and enforcement; defining which department is the umbrella department, based on standard ordinance language; and intent that the City as an organization is responsible.

 

Page 5, Section L, Notification of Spills

Noting cooperation and coordination of City Officials and empowering them to be noticed for resolution.

 

Discussion included recognizing how even changing oil, or washing concrete or paint into storm basins from private property is illegal and damaging, making them all public obligations for reportable offenses.

 

Further discussion included Page 3, Section E, Exemptions, in addition to Sections F, G, and H, specifically addressing pools.

 

Member Stenlund opined that a missing piece is reference to Roseville’s Best Management Practice and Guidance Documents.

 

Additional discussion included permit application requirements for standards on treatment of soapy water before it enters the sewer system by youth car wash groups, based on an action plan, application for a permit, and treatment prior to entering regional ponds, or performing it on grass or plastic pads; permitted or non-permitted activities and how they would be defined as related to oversight of the City’s MS4, how to make it enforceable and how to differentiate specific activities; and the lack of enforcement by the City to-date of their erosion control permits and how to ensure that this will be more enforceable and better monitored; and making it easy for residents to comply with action plans without exceeding government interference, based on the tools provided to them by the City.

 

Further discussion included sample scenarios of the difficulty of enforcement by staff when they are alerted to a non-compliant activity by phone, with the activity no longer evidenced when staff is able to respond; educational information for suspected violations based on present practice, based on a “carrot” rather than a “stick,” when a situation is no longer legally enforceable.

 

Member Felice suggested the need to educate groups (i.e., Boy Scouts or other youth groups doing car wash fundraisers), who could in turn serve as examples to others based on their understanding of the importance of water quality and their visual example for easy compliance.  Member Felice opined that, if this started as an educational process, with them seeking permits to hold the car washes, it could become common practice after 2-3 years.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted that this was a good question for the City Attorney, whether educational or permitted activities were included; how to distinguish one from the other; and how to define by the number of vehicles.

 

It was the consensus of members that most residents wanted to do the right thing, but may be unaware of the impacts to water quality of their personal or individual actions and activities.

 

Additional discussion included the compliance of mobile washing trucks; compliance needed for carpet cleaning businesses with tanks on their trucks; whether community-based groups, earning money, should be exempted if they could prove that they had a process in place to manage suds, and had sought a variance or permit from the City to wash cars in a community space; and clarification that it was not illegal to wash a car, only to discharge the water into the sanitary storm sewer system to educate people that they needed to implement a system in washing cars to keep the water from entering the sanitary system.

 

Page 3, Section H, General Provisions

Add an additional exemption: … unless the discharge conforms with the approved City of Roseville Plan to manage it. OR … community-based organizations proposing car washes, or other similar activity, shall submit an action plan to the Public Works Director.

Add to #5 … car washes, or including but not limited to carwashes; to include washing siding (i.e., lead paint); service-groups; non-commercial entities; community groups…

 

Additional discussion included how the educational materials and fact sheet could address residential infiltration systems (addressed in Section I?); with staff encouraging the PWET Commission to provide additional to the City Council for response action plan or storm water system prevention plan.

 

Further discussion of Section H included providing for any machine or equipment cleaning, including equipment, cars, or vehicles, confined to pervious areas.

 

Ms. Bloom advised that she would review other language for consistency.

 

Further discussion included clarifying that on the industrial side, no chemicals could be exposed to the storm water system at all (addressed under Section I – industrial swift?); ensuring that Section H or I included references to unused oil, used motor oil, chemicals or fertilizer and their storage containment.

 

Noting the additional agenda items on tonight’s agenda, Chair DeBenedet suggested that individual members provide additional comment for revision to Ms. Bloom for her submission of those revisions to PWET members by e-mail for their further individual review and commentary before the November meeting to keep the process moving forward within the time constraints for City Council consideration and approval mid-December for publication and implementation of the ordinance by year-end.

 

Additional discussion included the City Attorney’s review of Section M.1 related to issues, enforcement, and protection of the City; including language in the Purpose statement on Page 1 providing the rationale for this unfunded federal mandate and delegation to the Regional EPA in Chicago and State MPCA.

 

Page 4, Section J, Access to Facilities

#6 – City access and probable cause – is the entire paragraph necessary, or only a portion thereof; with consensus that this language tied into the industrial and commercial permit inspection language, with the MS4 umbrella covering this and allowing for further inspection by City staff.

 

Member Stenlund moved, Member Felice seconded to TABLE future discussion to the November 2009 meeting.

 

Ayes: 4

Nays: 0

Motion carried.

 

Staff was asked to revise the document based on tonight’s discussion, as well as input from the City Attorney; and if possible return the document to the PWET Commission prior to the November meeting to allow additional review prior to discussion at the meeting, in consideration of the timeframe for mandated adoption.

 

Chair DeBenedet recessed the meeting at approximately 8:04 p.m., and reconvened at approximately 8:12 p.m.

 

Chair DeBenedet amended the agenda, with Member consensus, to receive public comment from a representative of Ace Waste Management, in attendance at tonight’s meeting.

 

  1. Additional Solid Waste Collection Information

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that staff had provided additional media updates related to previous discussions on solid waste collection, for background purposes, in tonight’s packet for review by members; but had no specific action or task in mind for tonight’s meeting. 

 

Chair DeBenedet noted a recent editorial in the Star Tribune newspaper referencing the MPCA Organized Collection Report study and findings, providing interesting information similar to that being discussed by the PWET Commission to-date.  Chair DeBenedet invited public comments at this time.

 

Public Comment

Mike Beraopce, Ace Waste Management

Chair DeBenedet advised Mr. Beraopce of ongoing discussions related to various community-wide issues related to solid waste collection for residents, in an effort to reduce wear and tear on local streets from multiple and repeated garbage trucks on those streets, given current budget constraints for repair or replacement of those streets.  Chair DeBenedet recognized the need for any action to preserve market shares for each hauler, and asked Mr. Beraopce to comment from his perspective on how the City could do so, while allowing competition to continue.  Chair DeBenedet advised that, following additional research, the PWET Commission would invite all haulers to the table to hear their individual and collective perspectives before making any recommendation to the City Council.

 

Mr. Beraopce opined that, from his perspective, it came down to a belief system: whether you believe in the competitive market and how it works in specific communities.  Mr. Beraopce advised that in Roseville, as well as most communities in the metropolitan area, the open market system was in place, with haulers earning their customers one at a time, and developing serving relationships one on one with them.  Mr. Beraopce advised that this was how his company had based their reputation over the last 55 years; and that the type of discussion being held at the PWET Commission level threatened that competitive market system.  Mr. Beraopce addressed the freedom of choice and reluctance to involve government in the relationship of service provider and customer; impacts to pricing structures; political considerations; choices currently available for residents in “shopping” for a refuse hauler competitively and service-wise; and considerations of residents in their choice. 

 

Mr. Beraopce also addressed road wear and tear, noting that over the years, those vehicles had evolved, with more axles spreading the weight; and other issues with road maintenance based on normal frost/thaw cycles, not just vehicle weight and type.

Mr. Beraopce specifically addressed the MPCA report, noting that it was very controversial within the refuse industry, with the report originally commissioned to look at greenhouse gas emissions, and costing $90,000; while making numerous erroneous or poorly-researched assumptions.  Mr. Beraopce briefly reviewed the report, and provided a summary of the industry’s trade association comments for member review, which had been submitted to the MPCA in response to various assumptions in the report.  Mr. Beraopce also provided information on his company, showing alternatives to organized collection that are being followed for residents in the community of Roseville. 

 

Mr. Beraopce advised that the competitive market industry was moving forward environmentally as well; and asked that they be included in future discussions by the PWET Commission on waste collection.

 

Discussion between Mr. Beraopce and members included concerns with multiple braking and starting of the trucks, putting friction and wear on roadways, as well as creating additional noise in residential neighborhoods; potential benefits to individual haulers to be guaranteed a given segment of customers within a community, providing the same market share and potential for growth, with guaranteed revenue without commensurate expenses; city involvement in grading service for individual residents; assumptions for fuel usage calculations; and greenhouse gas emissions coming from 75% other uses, with only 25% represented by transportation, with most of that coming from passenger vehicles, aviation, marine and rail, with diesel trucks representing 18% of that 25% transportation number.

 

Further discussion included how to reduce truck mileage; all diesel trucks representing 17% of the 25% transportation calculation, not just garbage trucks, and not substantiating a significant portion of overall greenhouse gas emissions; current zoning in Roseville by various garbage collectors; additional bureaucracy versus current open market competition; current relationship between customers and haulers, with no government interference; loss experience of haulers on unpaid bills for residential customers as a cost of doing business; and minimal impacts if the City were to require garbage trucks to be double axle, with some legislation already in place. 

 

Mr. Beraopce advised that the open market system breeds innovation, and they were supportive of reasonable technical regulation versus market manipulation.

 

Further discussion included costs for organized versus same open market service ($17 versus $25); lack of a scientific method and numerous variable assumptions shown as a disclaimer in the MPCA study, with the industry contending that the prices were based on random sampling rather than reality across the board, with the number closer to the organized number for the open market price.  Mr. Beraopce reviewed various options from a pricing perspective (i.e., senior discount; annual payment discount) to customize different needs for individual or neighborhood groups or collectives.

 

2010 Public Works Workplan

 

Ms. Bloom and Mr. Schwartz provided the 2010 Public Works Workplan as adopted at the October 26, 2009 City Council meeting; listing various infrastructure improvements planned in 2010, and briefly highlighted those items of significance.

 

Discussion included availability of the document on the City’s website; comparisons with 2009 costs, as well as five-year averages for mill and overlay.

 

Chair DeBenedet expressed concern that the City was being required to scale back on mill and overlay projects as a result of reduced interest earnings in the Pavement Management Plan (PMP), which increase maintenance and/or reconstruction costs in the future due to deferral of maintenance; and opined that the City’s budget model should maintain current average conditions, by allotting $.75 million/year.

 

Discussion included interest rate comparisons over the last 15-20 years; when a street exhibits surface distresses and more intense block cracking it is a candidate for mill and overlay; seal coating is no longer cost-effective on mill and overlay candidates.

 

Chair DeBenedet spoke in support, subject to the City Council’s final 2010 budget decisions, to return to a pre-2009 level of investment on infrastructure maintenance.

 

  1. 2010 Budget Update

 

Mr. Schwartz provided, as a bench handout, materials utilized by the City Council at their meeting held the previous night, for the Budgeting for Outcomes (BFO) process in determining the 2010 budget and levy, and based on profiles completed by staff, with assistance by a consultant, for staff time, purchases and supplies, based on 2009 dollars and allocations to 160 various programs and services.  Mr. Schwartz briefly highlighted the process used in ranking and providing value judgments from 1 – 5 and compiled by both staff and the City Council, and representing individual and composite rankings.  Mr. Schwartz addressed the proposed 2010 budget increase at 9% of 2009 budget; defined Public Works’ “other” category (Item #104) and what that represented based on time spent profiles applied to all General Fund areas; and the upcoming City Manager-recommended budget to be presented at the next meeting, that will take into consideration staff knowledge of those items necessary for day-to-day operations, but not necessarily ranked high by City Council members, as well as contractual obligations and new spending mandates.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted the line item for inflationary expense for street maintenance materials, with that representing the amount of money submitted in May to get the City’s pavement maintenance program fully funded again.

 

Discussion included the BFO process and assumptions; imperative to return the PMP Fund to it’s original endowment figure; limitations of the available budget; and potential revenue sources that could help balance the budget and still under discussion (i.e., street light fees moving out of the property tax-supported area and into a utility bill format, similar to the formula used for storm sewer utility, based on residential and commercial units); and how individual Council members had ranked various services and programs based on their perspectives, interest levels, and their perception of the ranking process itself.

 

Further discussion included individual and collective ranking rationale; how the public survey information from the four community meetings was incorporated into the ranking process; the need to provide greater detail and description of each program for the ranking process before and after editing; level of understanding and additional education needed as the BFO process continues over the next few years; and the entire process being a learning curve for all parties.

 

Mr. Schwartz noted several areas that staff may combine, such as project support for engineering, in future years to allow more refined project delivery cost representation. 

 

Additional discussion included employee costs assumptions (benefits, COLA); debt service; and projections on the Emerald Ash Borer and additional Dutch Elm diseased tree costs and impacts.

 

  1. Agenda for Next Meeting on December 22, 2009.

 

Chair DeBenedet noted that, even though it was Thanksgiving week, the PWET needed to meet for further refinement of the illicit storm water ordinance for recommendation to the City Council to meet the end-of-year deadline requirements as set forth. 

 

Chair DeBenedet also noted the November agenda would also include additional discussion on the 2010 Public Works Budget; garbage collection; and undergrounding utilities and power lines on Rice Street.

 

Member Felice requested how the PWET could address the condition of medians and plantings along Snelling and other major thoroughfares in the City of Roseville to improve aesthetics.

 

Mr. Schwartz advised that this was an ongoing problem of maintenance, due to the lack of maintenance resources of the State of MN and Ramsey County for periodic maintenance.

 

Discussion included areas where weeds were overgrown; whether a permeable surface was called for; expected levels of maintenance by the public; development of costs prepared by City staff for the City to take over mowing, based on numerous citizen comments to the City Council, in addition to some Councilmember interest in additional maintenance along Snelling being included in the budget process.

 

Ms. Bloom advised members that MnDOT is looking at an overlay project, not a reconstruction project, in the area of Snelling from County Road B to Larpenteur Avenue potentially for consideration in 2010, but that the project would not include landscaping and only consist of pavement maintenance.  Ms. Bloom advised that a meeting with the MnDOT was pending, and that MnDOT was aware of the City’s request for including public notification and information as part of that discussion.

 

Further discussion included how to balance a beautiful gateway with water quality (aesthetics versus herbicide use); and safety considerations for pedestrians, bicycles and vehicles.

 

Chair DeBenedet suggested including further discussion on the November meeting agenda.

 

  1. Adjournment

 

 

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